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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 6:03:41 GMT -7
It's possible. Did we even hear younger Burl's voice in "Father's Day" when he was telling his story to Teddy, Grubby and Gimmick? I watched that episode recently, but I can't remember if we did or not. hmm, might have to watch it again...
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Post by kathyfraggle on Mar 14, 2011 15:38:17 GMT -7
Honestly I can't remember either. Oh well, I guess I know what I'm watching tonight, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 15:49:45 GMT -7
Lol. Nice. I'm sure young Burl spoke during the flashback of him being questioned by Quellor at M.A.V.O. Headquarters. I watched "Grubby's Romance" the other day, and I was confused by something. If M.A.V.O. is the top organization for villains in Grundo, why had L.B., a villain's sidekick, not heard of it? I mean, surely, Tweeg, who had been wanting to get in for years, would've mentioned M.A.V.O. at some point prior to the start of the series. If I remember "Tweeg's Mom" correctly, even Gimmick had heard of M.A.V.O. So, why not L.B.?
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Post by kathyfraggle on Mar 14, 2011 17:21:19 GMT -7
Unfortunately, Burl's voice wasn't different at all when he was questioned by Quellor, ruling out the idea that all those years of living on his own made his voice gruffer.
Lol, how much of what Tweeg says do you think LB pays attention to voluntarily? And I guess years of association with Tweeg would technically make him a villain's sidekick, but I don't really think of him that way. I think of him more as a free agent, who just happened to fall in with Tweeg but still maintains partial indipendence. In which episode does Eleanor mention Gimmick and MAVO?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 19:12:50 GMT -7
No no. In episode 8, which is called, "Tweeg's Mom", when Teddy mentions they can get to M.A.V.O. Headquarters in the Airship easily, Gimmick hesitates like he's scared out of his wits. I mean, sure the name, Monsters and Villains Organization, sounds ominous, but, considering how big M.A.V.O. is in Grundo, and considering how knowledgeable Gimmick is about the going ons in Grundo, he'd have to live under a rock in order not to know what exactly M.A.V.O. is.
You're right about L.B. not really listening to what Tweeg says. That's true, L.B. is the leader of his gang of Bounders more than he is a villain's sidekick. Though, except for the first episode, you don't see the other Bounders until "The Medicine Wagon" because the story is focused on the larger plot of rescuing the princess, finding the treasure, the crystals and M.A.V.O. until episode 11, which is the first standalone, non-crystal related episode. The first five episodes deal with the rescue of the princess, and the discovery of the crystals, episode six deals with discovering the power of the first crystal, and the seventh episode leads into the three episode arc that introduces M.A.V.O.
Yeah, L.B. is too busy cracking jokes to really listen to what Tweeg is saying. Of course, that could describe a best friend of any one of us here in the real world. You know, the best friend who is always teasing you and cracking jokes, but is always there for you when you need them. That's what I think L.B. is to Tweeg.
As for young Burl's voice being the same as older Burl, that could just be from him being roughed up by Sludge, Trudge, and Drudge and being weak as a result. Do you think that's a likely scenario?
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Post by kathyfraggle on Mar 14, 2011 22:58:20 GMT -7
It's possible, but I think it's more likely that that's just his natural voice, as unatractive as it may be. Oh, I see, you meant "Tweeg's Mom" the episode, not Tweeg's actual mom, lol. Yes, Gimmick could, and often does serve as a good tourguide of Grundo, couldn't he? Yeah, that's the reason Tweeg Gets the Tweezles is one of my favorite episodes. I kept thinking, "he really does care about you ya big dope, although heaven knows why."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 6:23:15 GMT -7
Yep. Exactly. Which brings me to a question about Gimmick's girlfriend, Eunice. Is she the court physician, or does she serve the rest of Grundo? The reason I'm asking is that, in "Tweeg Gets the Tweezles", L.B. went to get Teddy, Grubby and Gimmick to help Tweeg, because there weren't any doctors around. But, if Eunice is the doctor of Grundo, wouldn't she be found and sent to Tweeg's Tower? My theory on this is that, L.B., figuring that Tweeg could be fatally ill, decided that, rather than go all the way to King Nogburt's Castle to get Eunice for help, he decided not to waste any time and go to the resource that was close at hand, which, just happened to be the Trio. That's just my theory though. But, considering that King Nogburt didn't appear until episode 21, it's doubtful that Eunice had been thought up yet, and so, as far as the characters knew, Eunice didn't exist.
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Mar 15, 2011 9:35:07 GMT -7
I always just kind of assumed that Eunice only served Nogburt, his court, and his kingdom, not the whole of Grundo.
It'd be pretty hard for one person to care for all of Grundo, since we have no idea if there are any physicians other that her.
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Post by kathyfraggle on Mar 15, 2011 10:03:45 GMT -7
Hmmm, it always seemed to me that Eunice was the court physitian, but the royals being as naturally generous and kind as they are, if anyone in the immediate viscinity was in need and was not an enemy, she would help them as well. Hmmm, Tweeg having a fatal illness naturally never crossed my mind, so I never considered it crossing LB's mind either. It is possible though, of course. Gimmick's valley does seem to be a long way from the castle though, and the treo does seem to be the only people around. Plus, in LB's thinking, Gimmick's a smart guy, so he should know what to do. I don't think it was a matter of Eunice not being thought up yet. I could be wrong, but I think in general these things are thought up far in advance, and after all, it's not that long from episodes 13 to 21.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 11:53:25 GMT -7
That's what I thought. I wasn't sure though. I mean, the majority of the episodes were adapted from the stories in the Adventure series, and as far as I know, except for 'Gimmick's Gizmos and Gadgets' King Nogburt doesn't appear at all in the Adventure series, same with Queen Lilibet, and Eunice. The reason the thought of Tweeg having a fatal illness crossed my mind, is because in the original Adventure series version, Tweeg asks L.B. if the Tweezles were fatal, and L.B. says that he didn't know, and, because of his poor attitude, Tweeg was convinced that it was.
But, your theory is a good one too. Gimmick's Valley is pretty isolated from the rest of Grundo. Except for Wooly's house on the other side of Boggley Woods from the valley, the only people who are nearby are the Fobs (they seem to live anywhere around Grundo), and the Bounders, with the nearest settlement, being the Grunge Village in the Jungle with No Name on the opposite side of Woodley Bog and Boggley Woods from Gimmick's house. Which explains why people like Prince Arin and Princess Aruzia don't visit the Trio at Gimmick's house very often. Too far away from the castle.
Speaking of King Nogburt's Castle. There's this one shot of it, in several episodes, which, except for different landscapes, and houses, looks like a shot of Rainbow Brite's palace from that cartoon. Exact same angles, and even the way the castle was drawn, it looks more like the Color Castle than the king's castle as shown on the map in the books and even the picture of it in 'The Missing Princess'. Just an observation.
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Post by kathyfraggle on Mar 15, 2011 13:46:10 GMT -7
So King Nogbert does appear in the Adventure series? I did wonder about that... Oh yes, I suppose the tape of Gimmick's Gizmoes and Gadgets would be similar to the TV version. I don't know why, but I always thought they'd be too totally different stories. Maybe it was a hope on some level, since it has such an interesting title but is not one of my favorite episodes. It's not a bad one; there are just episodes I like better. Sorry, can't help you with the visuals of the castle, since I'm visually impaired, and I've also never seen Rainbow Bright. My mom seemed to like it though, and I remember having a Rainbow Bright box kite when I was very young, so maybe I watched it when I was too young to remember it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 15:15:47 GMT -7
Yeah, the king does appear in that story. He's the one juding the logic fair. Anyway, the scene is similar. To describe it, the three cylinders that make up the Color Castle from Rainbow Brite are thick at the base, and instead of narrowing into a cone near the top, they taper off into domes. Anyway, just this one shot of King Nogburt's Castle, the three cylinders that make up the king's castle, are as thick on the base of each one, and just the angle that was drawn, it was like it was a homage to the Color Castle.
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