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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 16, 2008 14:45:03 GMT -7
After watching "The Mystery Unravels," I was struck with a thought.
According to the Crystal Book, Theodore the Wise was the one who lead the illiops to Rillonia after the Gutangs raided the Hard to Find City, correct? Also, he had Teddy's half of the medallion in his possession when he and the others fled.
Is it possible the Teddy could be a descendent of Theodore the Wise? He did eventually wind up with the medallion half, and Teddy is a very common nickname for people named Theodore.
Or am I just grasping for straws here?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2008 18:56:09 GMT -7
This thought has occurred to me, and I both like and hate it.
In the first place, I think it is perfectly logical to conclude that Teddy is a descendant of Theodore the Wise. How else would his family come to possess the medallion? I assume the medallion is considered valuable and probably a treasured heirloom within whatever family it belongs to. It's hard to believe Theodore's family would let it slip away so easily.
If it HAS slipped from Theodore's family, the question is did they give it to the Ruxpins or was it found? I like to think it was given to Burl, and he stowed it away for safe keeping along with treasure map. Teddy mentions in "The Treasure of Grundo" that the medallion was found WITH the map, indicating that whoever threw it into storage had intentions to restore it to its rightful place in the Hard-to-Find City.
I like the second idea better: that it was given to Burl. I think it would be much too formulaic and predictable to have Teddy be a direct descendant of Theodore the Wise as that harkens to themes such as predestination as found in most conventional fantasies. I'm not a big fan of this: I like to think Teddy is simply a curious explorer that falls into something bigger than himself, not that he was destined to follow in Theodore's footsteps (though it is hinted that the Crystals were MEANT for Teddy...but that could relate to any Illiop, since they were the ones who could keep them from the hands of evil...)
On the other hand, it would give Teddy a direct sense of purpose...that he MUST complete his quest to seek out other Illiop civilizations and return the Crystals to the Hard-to-Find City.
It's a toss up for me, but if I had to choose, I'd choose not to have Teddy a descendant of Theodore.
What does everyone else think? I wonder if Josh has any insight into what Mr. Forsse has to say on this.
Also, I wonder what would've happened once all seven crystals were placed back into their holders in the Pavillion in the Hard-to-Find City. Putting the medallion together revealed the Treasure of Grundo. Putting all six crystals back revealed the holding place for the seventh crystal. So what would happen once all seven crystals are restored to their rightful place?
How I wish these adventures were continued...
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 16, 2008 20:16:31 GMT -7
EDIT: Hey, look at that! I've almost caught up to you in post count!  Very excellent points, and I enjoyed reading them. I like to think the opposite, but then again, I'm a sucker for "chosen one" plots. I've played far too many RPGs. ;D I've actually been trying to chase down a plot bunny regarding this idea. It's based (rather blatently) on the big climax in Lunar: Silver Star Story. It doesn't involve the Pavillion shown in the series, but another similar chamber in the Hard-to-Find City. Gragh! So many plot bunnies, so little time to chase them down. I wonder if Mr. Forsse knows just how many of the little buggers he spawned with Teddy. |
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Post by tdickensheets on Sept 18, 2008 11:10:41 GMT -7
The Illiops lived in Hard to find City before the Gutangs. Burl Ruxpin took the map & half of the medallion with him to flee to Rillonia. He was marred. So when Mr. Ruxpin go some where. Mrs. Ruxpin stay with Teddy Ruxpin. When Teddy Ruxpin was about in His teen's. He found the old treasure map & half medallion.
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 18, 2008 13:39:46 GMT -7
It was Theodore the Wise that fled with the medallion, not Burl. And I doubt that Burl and Ilana (is it one L or two?) are that old.
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Post by tdickensheets on Sept 18, 2008 21:47:15 GMT -7
It was Theodore the Wise that fled with the medallion, not Burl. And I doubt that Burl and Ilana (is it one L or two?) are that old. So Theodore the Wise had it. Q: How did Teddy Ruxpin found it in his house? |
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 19, 2008 5:04:38 GMT -7
We don't know. That's why I created this thread, for discussion.
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Post by theonemouse on Sept 19, 2008 7:57:01 GMT -7
Supposition: Theodore the Wise's last heir dies off on Rillonia. His worldly possessions would no doubt be spread out amongst the village, unless there was a will for the stuff to be left with a family that the heir trusted.
Either way, I wouldn't think Illiops are the sort to throw things out just because one person doesn't need it anymore. The inheritance by will or distribution would work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 12:27:16 GMT -7
Assuming the Illiops knew what the medallion was and where the map led, they probably would've kept it somewhere safe. I like to think that Theodore the Wise lost it in his travels and it was found by Burl who kept it at home. I think he intended to search for the Treasure of Grundo himself before he was captured by M.A.V.O.
We should also keep in mind that, gathering from Episode 65, the Illiops don't remember much about the Hard-to-Find City...it's been a LONG time. This could've happened generations ago, perhaps centuries before Teddy's time. The Crystal Book is a revelation to everyone, not just Teddy. So we can assume the medallion and map had been missing for quite some time before Teddy got a hold of them.
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Post by theonemouse on Sept 19, 2008 12:47:16 GMT -7
So this would be kind of like a play on Atlantis and its decendants. They were a very advanced civilization once, then fell, and now they are slowly growing back into what they once were.
Oh, why oh why couldn't there have been AT LEAST 10 more episodes to wrap up the questions. Suppositions like this just spawn plot bunnies and I ran out of buck shot and stew pots for them all.
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 19, 2008 21:21:40 GMT -7
Good points.
Though, I still can't help but wonder how Ilana came to be in possession of the translating plate that allowed everyone to read the Crystal Book. I can see Burl finding the map and medallion, but the translating plate seemed more like a family heirloom, rather than a random discovery.
I still think that it's far too coincidental that Teddy's family, of all the Illiops in Rillonia, eventually came to be in possession of the map, the medallion, and the translating plate.
The next time Josh does an interview with Mr. Forsse, I want him to ask him whether or not he has any idea how many of those evil things he spawned.
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Post by Legendbournageddon on Sept 23, 2008 8:32:52 GMT -7
One thing I could answer here but no to be labeled as 'official mythos'. I wrote in LegRux that there was a massive battle to fight off the Gutangs from getting into the Hard-to-Find city and that Illana and Teddy were refugees from that city. Burl had disappeared during the combat, being the bearer (no pun intended) of the seventh crystal. Quellor confronted him and stole the crystal, using his lightning to surge the crystal to overload and screw over Burl's memory. The crack in the crystal was from that lightning strike...
Just my rendition of things how I saw it.
Any thought?
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 23, 2008 15:49:30 GMT -7
That's an interesting take. I always assumed the Illiops fled long before the start of the series, but that's just me. Is the story on your Deviantart? I'd like to read it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 18:56:09 GMT -7
That is a really cool take on TR backstory. I'm still a little fuzzy on exactly what happened to Burl after he left Rillonia. For instnace, he claims to have lost his memory after being abducted by M.A.V.O. henchmen shortly after entering Grundo and then sold to the Ying Zoo. His memory had already been wiped, we assume, by the Black Box. If this is true, then where did the names in the Illiop prison cell come from? Clearly the names were carved by Burl, but if his memory was wiped, then how did he remember the names of his wife and child?
It would've taken the Illiops decades...even centuries...to populate Rillonia the way they did. This implies that Burl and Illana were not, in fact, part of the original group of refugees from the Hard-to-Find City. The fact that neither seemed to know anything about the Crystals or the Crystal Book (Illana didn't even realize she had the decoder...) suggests that neither would have known more than a little history regarding the migration from Grundo to Rillonia.
That's still a really cool take on TR backstory. I especially like the idea of the origin of the crack in the seventh crystal. I've always loved the mystique surrounding that crystal.
The battle for the Hard-to-Find City would be an aweesome visual experience. Too bad there weren't more episodes to expand on that...
Of course all this had spawned on other nagging question in me: Where did the Gutangs originally come from? I know this is probably more than most Teddy fans need to know, but I've always loved the mystery of the Gutangs. I've always associated them with the Hard-to-Find City, but once I learned that they had to drive the Illiops out of it to live there, I've wondered where they come from. I guess the Land of Ying would be the most logical place...any ideas?
Very cool ideas, everyone! I enjoy this kind of discussion most!
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Post by kaylathehedgehog on Sept 23, 2008 20:42:03 GMT -7
Perhaps he still had the memory of them in his subconsciousness. It's possible that he saw or heard them in a dream but didn't understand the significance of them. It could be that the seventh crystal only affects the waking portion of the mind, but not the portion dealing with dreams and unconsciousness. It would explain why Burl claimed that he saw bits and pieces of his past in his dreams.
As for the Gutangs, I always assumed they were already living in Ying before conquering the Hard-to-Find City.
Gah! I don't need any more plot bunnies!
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