Post by Fen on Nov 18, 2009 16:19:23 GMT -7
korbendallas Wrote:
So you like Disney Animation?
"What do you think of adult cartoons such as Beowulf, Rock and Rule, Fire and Ice, Heavy Metal, Akira, Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend, Ghost in The Shell, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City, Wizards, Fritz The Cat, Pink Floyd The Wall, American Pop etc.?"
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I like GOOD animation. Not just Disney animation, but animation that tells a story, uses traditional ideas, and innovates without being pretentious. There is a difference. Pixar is NOT Disney.
Pixar stands alone.
Even though Disney used its corporate clout to buy Pixar, Pixar still produces its own animation.
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In respect to the director Ralph Bakshi I used to be a fan of his work. I was impressed by the Hobbit and Wizards. However, Bakshi is a horrible person to work for, and a pervert. Everything he has done has some sort of sexual connotation to it. There is nothing that is not charged with suggestive themes and or all out sexual content. With the exception of "The Hobbit" (which he was under the thumb of Warner Bros.) EVERYTHING he does, he cannot do without including some racist, sexual, or lewd joke or innuendo. He has stolen work from other artists claiming it as his own. He stole a lot of money from Warner Bros. that the animators who worked under him never saw in their paychecks. He rarely had any real input on the films but relied on a small poorly paid team of student animators to churn out the end of "Lord of the Rings". Thus the horrible colored over sequences where the orcs are fighting Theoden at Helms Deep.
As a testament to Bakshi, his most famous "work" (if you want to call it that), is "Fritz the Cat". An animated film based on a comic strip of the same name by Robert Crumb. At the time of its release, it was the ONLY film that was animated to ever receive an "X" rating.
Needless to say, Bakshi was chuffed at that, as any pimp would be.
Today, the standards are different, we are not as censured in what is broadcast over the television as it was back in the 70's. So if you watch Fritz, your reception of the film may be different, it may be seen as a documentary of sorts. Someone may think it is more of a PG-13 than a rated X. Needless to say, beyond the content of "Fritz" being highly sexual, there were a lot of racist and anti-sematic messages thrown in. African Americans were portrayed as joint smoking "crows" (a derogatory term that harkens back to the Jim Crow laws of post Civil War South that prevented free African Americans from working and living in the same areas as white people) and police officers were portrayed as "Jewish Pigs", a highly disrespectful image as the pig is considered "unclean" to a devout Jew. Bakshi's reply to this, was that he was trying to make a satirical comment on the state of American culture at that period of time. He was trying to bring out the hypocrisies of the day through the eyes of the freethinking yet opportunistic "Fritz".
This is a weak excuse for producing a film that does not build up unity between cultures and communities, but instead makes a profit by portraying the putrid underside of humanity and charging people to go take a look.
Animation wise, the work is a stand alone in its style which is based around the old "Terry Toon" art style. (Woody Woodpecker, Mighty Mouse, etc) Again Bakshi brought with him under false promises of money and fame many of the old Terry Toon animators. Most left after working with Bakshi for various reasons.
I used to think that Don Bluth was the king of rotoscoping until I saw Bakshi. Bakshi has used this tool to the point of it becoming farcical. In American Pop, Wizards, and Fire and Ice a heavy use of the rotoscoping technique was relied upon as a "short cut" to the tedious and time consuming animation process. This shows up badly as some characters have astounding realistic movements (a la rotoscope) and others, do not. It becomes nothing more than a distraction. Although for certain audiences who are struggling through the erratic story line, such distractions were very welcome.
All of Bakshi's films are the antithesis to Disney. In every way, Bakshi wanted to oppose the Disney style, and content. You either love it or hate it with Bakshi. Frankly, I think he's a jerk.
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Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Legend of Overfiend, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City
All are famous anime, at this point I really don't have the time to go into details as to why each one stands alone but should be viewed if you are a fan of the genre.
In respect to Akira, the film explores a number of psychological and philosophical themes, such as the nature of corruption, the will to power, and the growth from childhood to maturity both in individuals and the human race itself. Elements of Buddhist symbolism are also present in the film. Notable themes in the film include youth culture, cyberpunk, delinquency, psychic awareness, social unrest, the world's reaction toward a nuclear holocaust and Japan's post-war economic revival. However, it has been criticized for having too many themes and not enough thought as to effective delivery. To each their own. The animation is beautiful, and well done.
Ghost in the Shell manga has been adapted into two anime series. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex was written and directed by Kenji Kamiyama and produced by Production I.G, airing on Animax from 1 October 2002 to 25 March 2003 with a total of 26 episodes. Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG followed Stand Alone Complex as the second season, also written and directed by Kenji Kamiyama and produced by Production I.G. 2nd GIG aired on Animax from 1 January 2004 to 8 January 2005, with a total of 26 episodes. Both are quite beautiful animation and character wise. The themes are quite deep, and there is an interesting winding plot that runs throughout the 32 episodes.
Ninja Scroll is a beautifully animated work, but it is NOT for the faint of heart. The gratuitous acts of violence upon the demons have the viewers swimming in blood. Sure we cheer on Jubai, and boo the villains. Yet, if you are queasy, and do not like the sight of decapitated or bodies cleaved in two. This is NOT the film for you.
I'm not going to even comment on Wicked City. I did a quick wiki, and yeah, not something I'd bother to see. Simply because of content.
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Heavy Metal, Pink Floyd: The Wall
Ok for both of these, they were driven more by the music industry than anything else. I could slot American Pop into this catagory as well. They each stand alone for what they are, in Heavy Metal, it is like one long music video. Same with "The Wall".
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Beowulf.
Please see my comment under the Live Action Teddy Ruxpin Thread. The animator used a new type of rotoscoping technique. This one known as "motion capture" uses a computer to capture the movements of the actors and then render the 3d characters accordingly.
The film bombed in the box office despite it's innovative and beautiful animation sequences.
Zemekis has bombed out several of his recent films because he spent his budget on special effects and forgot about what it means to shoot a good story.
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Korben, I would appreciate it, in the future if you would refrain from noting me with such a request. You will find it posted here with my reply. I also would like you to stop acting like a "troll". You need to pay attention to the rules and understand that this website and the people that come here are not necessarily into the same sort of things you are. Out of personal choice, I do not like extreme violence, horror, gore, or graphic sexual films. If there are individuals who like the films you like, they will contact you.
This is my nice way of saying BACK OFF.
So you like Disney Animation?
"What do you think of adult cartoons such as Beowulf, Rock and Rule, Fire and Ice, Heavy Metal, Akira, Urotsukidoji: Legend of the Overfiend, Ghost in The Shell, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City, Wizards, Fritz The Cat, Pink Floyd The Wall, American Pop etc.?"
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I like GOOD animation. Not just Disney animation, but animation that tells a story, uses traditional ideas, and innovates without being pretentious. There is a difference. Pixar is NOT Disney.
Pixar stands alone.
Even though Disney used its corporate clout to buy Pixar, Pixar still produces its own animation.
**********************
In respect to the director Ralph Bakshi I used to be a fan of his work. I was impressed by the Hobbit and Wizards. However, Bakshi is a horrible person to work for, and a pervert. Everything he has done has some sort of sexual connotation to it. There is nothing that is not charged with suggestive themes and or all out sexual content. With the exception of "The Hobbit" (which he was under the thumb of Warner Bros.) EVERYTHING he does, he cannot do without including some racist, sexual, or lewd joke or innuendo. He has stolen work from other artists claiming it as his own. He stole a lot of money from Warner Bros. that the animators who worked under him never saw in their paychecks. He rarely had any real input on the films but relied on a small poorly paid team of student animators to churn out the end of "Lord of the Rings". Thus the horrible colored over sequences where the orcs are fighting Theoden at Helms Deep.
As a testament to Bakshi, his most famous "work" (if you want to call it that), is "Fritz the Cat". An animated film based on a comic strip of the same name by Robert Crumb. At the time of its release, it was the ONLY film that was animated to ever receive an "X" rating.
Needless to say, Bakshi was chuffed at that, as any pimp would be.
Today, the standards are different, we are not as censured in what is broadcast over the television as it was back in the 70's. So if you watch Fritz, your reception of the film may be different, it may be seen as a documentary of sorts. Someone may think it is more of a PG-13 than a rated X. Needless to say, beyond the content of "Fritz" being highly sexual, there were a lot of racist and anti-sematic messages thrown in. African Americans were portrayed as joint smoking "crows" (a derogatory term that harkens back to the Jim Crow laws of post Civil War South that prevented free African Americans from working and living in the same areas as white people) and police officers were portrayed as "Jewish Pigs", a highly disrespectful image as the pig is considered "unclean" to a devout Jew. Bakshi's reply to this, was that he was trying to make a satirical comment on the state of American culture at that period of time. He was trying to bring out the hypocrisies of the day through the eyes of the freethinking yet opportunistic "Fritz".
This is a weak excuse for producing a film that does not build up unity between cultures and communities, but instead makes a profit by portraying the putrid underside of humanity and charging people to go take a look.
Animation wise, the work is a stand alone in its style which is based around the old "Terry Toon" art style. (Woody Woodpecker, Mighty Mouse, etc) Again Bakshi brought with him under false promises of money and fame many of the old Terry Toon animators. Most left after working with Bakshi for various reasons.
I used to think that Don Bluth was the king of rotoscoping until I saw Bakshi. Bakshi has used this tool to the point of it becoming farcical. In American Pop, Wizards, and Fire and Ice a heavy use of the rotoscoping technique was relied upon as a "short cut" to the tedious and time consuming animation process. This shows up badly as some characters have astounding realistic movements (a la rotoscope) and others, do not. It becomes nothing more than a distraction. Although for certain audiences who are struggling through the erratic story line, such distractions were very welcome.
All of Bakshi's films are the antithesis to Disney. In every way, Bakshi wanted to oppose the Disney style, and content. You either love it or hate it with Bakshi. Frankly, I think he's a jerk.
*******
Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Legend of Overfiend, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City
All are famous anime, at this point I really don't have the time to go into details as to why each one stands alone but should be viewed if you are a fan of the genre.
In respect to Akira, the film explores a number of psychological and philosophical themes, such as the nature of corruption, the will to power, and the growth from childhood to maturity both in individuals and the human race itself. Elements of Buddhist symbolism are also present in the film. Notable themes in the film include youth culture, cyberpunk, delinquency, psychic awareness, social unrest, the world's reaction toward a nuclear holocaust and Japan's post-war economic revival. However, it has been criticized for having too many themes and not enough thought as to effective delivery. To each their own. The animation is beautiful, and well done.
Ghost in the Shell manga has been adapted into two anime series. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex was written and directed by Kenji Kamiyama and produced by Production I.G, airing on Animax from 1 October 2002 to 25 March 2003 with a total of 26 episodes. Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG followed Stand Alone Complex as the second season, also written and directed by Kenji Kamiyama and produced by Production I.G. 2nd GIG aired on Animax from 1 January 2004 to 8 January 2005, with a total of 26 episodes. Both are quite beautiful animation and character wise. The themes are quite deep, and there is an interesting winding plot that runs throughout the 32 episodes.
Ninja Scroll is a beautifully animated work, but it is NOT for the faint of heart. The gratuitous acts of violence upon the demons have the viewers swimming in blood. Sure we cheer on Jubai, and boo the villains. Yet, if you are queasy, and do not like the sight of decapitated or bodies cleaved in two. This is NOT the film for you.
I'm not going to even comment on Wicked City. I did a quick wiki, and yeah, not something I'd bother to see. Simply because of content.
**********************
Heavy Metal, Pink Floyd: The Wall
Ok for both of these, they were driven more by the music industry than anything else. I could slot American Pop into this catagory as well. They each stand alone for what they are, in Heavy Metal, it is like one long music video. Same with "The Wall".
**********************
Beowulf.
Please see my comment under the Live Action Teddy Ruxpin Thread. The animator used a new type of rotoscoping technique. This one known as "motion capture" uses a computer to capture the movements of the actors and then render the 3d characters accordingly.
The film bombed in the box office despite it's innovative and beautiful animation sequences.
Zemekis has bombed out several of his recent films because he spent his budget on special effects and forgot about what it means to shoot a good story.
***********************************
Korben, I would appreciate it, in the future if you would refrain from noting me with such a request. You will find it posted here with my reply. I also would like you to stop acting like a "troll". You need to pay attention to the rules and understand that this website and the people that come here are not necessarily into the same sort of things you are. Out of personal choice, I do not like extreme violence, horror, gore, or graphic sexual films. If there are individuals who like the films you like, they will contact you.
This is my nice way of saying BACK OFF.